Yeah, you know, if Bruce would have accidentally/on purpose killed Joker, Jason prob wouldn't have come back, because Bruce would have avenged his death, and Jason's return wouldn't have had the same impact.
I'd much rather a BL Jason and Joker attacking a live and well Bruce. THAT would have really blew Bruce's mind.
That would be awesome to have a BL Joker and Jason. And yeah you're right Jason probably wouldn't have came back. It's funny how different things are when you think about how far ahead they had to plan after Final Crisis or if they just randomly decided to make Black hand have "Bruce's" Skull.
Well, I know Geoff Johns plans things WELL in advance, he was openly hinting at Blackest Night from Green Lantern #25, and he reintroduced Black Hand in some of the earliest issues of the GL series, so I kind of think Geoff was planning on using "Bruce's" skull for years now. Then again, maybe using "Bruce's" skull was one of those spur of the moment things. I kind of think it was prob planned well in advance though.
Yeah, I'm sure it was. Like I said a while back, they mentioned Blackest Night back in 52 with Skeets and Booster so this stuff is planned WAY on advance. I can't even imagine what their planning now for 2011.
I actually wouldn't mind if they went a year or two without a major company-wide crossover event. It's like every year like clockwork, there's some sort of major x-over going on!
Lol helps sell comics so they'll keep on doing it. I'd like to see a more recent DC Marvel thing, maybe Wonder Woman taking on Miss Marvel or something like that.
Oh man, that'd be awesome. Okay, I gotta ask, do you think that Wolverine could take Lobo in a fight? Because I like Wolvey but come on...Lobo is so bad ass.
Hmm, see, that's a tough one. I know Lobo has like Supes level strength, but Wolvie's got the claws and the healing factor, as well as experience against insanely strong foes like Hulk and Wendigo. Plus Wolvie is pretty much Marvel's top guy. That would be like a less then top Marvel guy like Justice defeating Batman. You know DC would never allow that, just like I doubt Marvel would ever let Wolvie go down to Lobo.
True, maybe that's why they didn't match Wolvie up with someone like Supes or Batman, because I think Supes could beat him and Batman would probably use some metal stabilizer or some high tech gadget to subdue Logan.
Yeah, no doubt Wolvie would lose to Supes or Bats. Supes could take Wolvie in like 50 different ways, and Bats could take Wolvie with smarts or possibly even in a hand-to-hand battle. Then again, a hand-to-hand fight between Wolvie and Bats would probably end in a deadlock like the fight between Bats and Cap did since Cap and Wolvie battled to a stalemate not that long ago.
Hm...I'd like to see a Wolvie and Cap fight, if you recall that issue lemme know. Seem's like it'd be very interesting.
Okay, 5 vs. 5 man team, you pick Marvel or DC and then pick your 5 person team and I'll do the same. Heroes and Villains are allowed. Except no Galactus or anyone that's bigger than a planet.
I know it was in an early issue of Wolverine Origins, not sure which one though, I'll have to do some digging tomorrow.
Ooo, OK. Let's see, Superman, Captain America, Thor, Wonder Woman and aw what the hell, X-Man! There ain't no force on any world that could stand up to THAT team!
Sweet, lemme know dude, I'll pick it up on Wednesday.
Hm....That's a HELL of a team. Very powerful, So I'll go with Captain Marvel for Supes, Batman for Cap, Black Adam for Thor, Ms. Marvel for Wonder Woman and lastly for X-Man Magneto! Bwa-hahahahaha!
If I wasn't feeling so lazy, I'd dig it out now, but no such luck. Note to self: find that damn comic tomorrow!!!
Pfft, dude, Captain Marvel for Supes? Really?!? I'll give you the fact that their matched strength wise, but come on, Supes can pretty much do everything CM can do, and more! Cap takes Bats hands down. I think in the DC?Marvel mini when they fought, Bats pretty much conceded that eventually he'd wind up losing to Cap. That's two down ;) Let's see, Black Adam and Thor is an interesting one. Their pretty much matched powerwise, but Thor has his hammer and his control over the elements, I'd bet enough lightning strikes would take Adam out. Ms Marvel for WW?!? WW is as strong as Supes(well sometimes)Ms. Marvel ain't even close! Marvel does have the advantage of her blasts, but you'd think that WW could counter that with her bracers. X-Man takes Mags helmet off with his Telekinesis and then KO's him with his telepathy, game over. Don't you just hate when I take your team and just take then apart? Man I'm a real jerk! :P
You know what we should do, we should draft like 20-30 characters from both companies and then pit our characters against each other. That could be fun.
No rush dude, I'm the king when it comes to lazy relaxing, hell ya break just started, get some relaxation my man.
See but you're forgetting, Supes is Vulnerable to magic and Cap is Magic so he has the edge. I could dispute the lighting blasts from Thor because Black Adam gets blasted with Lightning ever time he turns to and from Teth-Adam, Mags wouldn't let Nate get close enough to remove his helmet lol, I hope he's not that dumb. And yeah I'll give you the WW Marvel. What If I replace Ms Marvel with Storm and Magneto with Phoenix? Bwahahaha
That sounds cool, I'm down for it if you are. Wanna make some rules/guidelines?
I still haven't gotten to looking yet, but as long as I keep bringing it up, I won't forget!
Yeah, but does Cap really throw magis around? I know in the DC/MK game he did, but I can't remember him shooting lightning in any of his comic appearances... I could be wrong though. Still, Supes has taken out magic based foes before, I think he could take Marvel. See, I know Storm beat WW in the x-over, but that x-over was done by fan voting, and let's face it, fans just vote for the more popular character. I honestly feel WW should be able to beat storm in a fair contest. But she has lost to Storm before so... As for Nate /Jean, that would be an awesome battle. BUT, in an issue of Cable, Moria MacTaggart(THE expert in mutations in the Marvel U)once stated that Nate's power output was comparable/maybe even bigger then that of the Phoenix force. In a head to head battle, Jean's got the experience edge, but Nate's got the edge in pure, unadulterated power. So it's a matter of going with youth and power or age and experience. Man, that one is really tough to call...
Well, the only guidelines I would add is that no cosmic beings should be involved(Galactus, the Guardians of the Univrse of OA, etc). Besides that, I say anything goes. If you're down with that, I'll make my first pick tonight, so if you have anything to add, let me.
Whenever they've fought on like TV shows (JLU) and animated movies it's always been Marvel dominating, hell even in Kingdom Come Supes couldn't beat Marvel. I agree that WW would beat Storm, I just picked her because she won that crossover like you mentioned. So just by switching two people my team has been made formidable. Oh yeah!!!! lol
Sounds good to me. Feel free to make your pick, and just so I'm clear can only one Hero name be used? As in if you pick Hal Jordan can I pick Kyle Rayner since their both GL's or if you pick Wally can I pick Barry?
The main fight is in Wolverine Origins #4, with the conclusion in Origins #5. There, I finnaly looked!
I just don't get that with Marvel and Supes... I like them both, but I just can't see Marvel take Supes...
Yeah, I say let them all in, just so long as you don't choose a team of super obscure GL's! The GL's should prob include the top 4(Jordan, Rayner, Stewart and Gardner)and since there are only 3 or 4 Flashes, I don't have a prob with including all of them. Now, before we get started, should we just concentrate on heroes and then do villains, or just put them all together, and what # should we go up to? Once that's settled, I think we're ready to go!
Check you out looking through the comics. You're my hero!!! Lol
I'd rather just say their equals and let them have a draw everytime.
Um...You said 20 earlier but if that's too many we can do 15 or something, it;s your choice, and lets do Superheroes and Villains together. Now presenting his first pick in the X-Man/Jason Todd battle, X-MAN!!!
Yeah, it's about time I started digging through my old comics! Now I just have to take the time to clean up the mess of comics all over the place... Ugh.
Alright, we'll go with 20 selections then. Here we go, my first round pick for our soon to be EPIC battle is: Superman!!!
I do not envy you having to clean up all of your comics. Sounds like a ten man job.
Alright, well since you started off with a big gun, I will as well, I'll pick The Silver Surfer! Well you said no cosmic beings but he has cosmic powers so I don't know if he counts, if so he's my pick, if not I'll take Captain Marvel.
Yeah, it's at least a ten man job! I bet right now I never even get to cleaning up my comics. There are so many other parts of my apartment I have to get to first that by the time I've straightened everything up I won't have any time to work on my comics! Oh well, at least there's spring break!
Hmm, maybe we should ban guys like the Surfer. If we use the Surfer, then I'd prob wind up picking somebody like Darksied(or one of Galactus' other heralds), and we'll wind up with a whole mess of gods and stuff... How's about we ban all guys with cosmic powers as well as all gods, that way we keep the playing field a little bit more on the level side.
As for my pick, after reading Dark X-Men #2, I have no choice but to go with X-Man!!! The guy has more powers then I can shake a stick at, I'd be crazy(stupid!)not to pick him!
Man...but by then you'll have 200 more comics!!! It's like a never-ending job for you, The Collector. That's your new moniker, X-Man "The Collector!"
Hm...that's cool, and with you picking X I gotta make a pick that's on the defensive, He'd lose to X-Man but he's still a great asset to my team, Bruce Wayne, Batman.
Gah!!! Damn you Jason Todd! *Shakes fist angrily* My last pick was a toss up between Batman and X-Man. I was DEFINITELY going to pick Bats with my next pick... Oh well, I guess I'll go with plan B and select Captain America with my third pick. There's no greater leader in all of comics then Cap. Haha, let's see you top THAT one!
X: Supes, X-Man, Captain America JT: Captain Marvel, Batman
Hm....well considering I stole The Dark Knight from you, I'll pick someone who can at least go one on one with Cap and definitely won't lose. my next pick is Wolverine!
X: Supes, X-Man, Captain America JT: Captain Marvel, Batman, Wolverine
Gah, there goes my next pick... I thought I was supposed to be the mind reader! OK, with Wolvie off the table I'll go with Wonder Woman. That's a solid pick all the way around.
Mmmm, very good pick there. MM is prob the most powerful Telepath in the DCU. To counter that pick I'm going to take Jean Grey next. Ha! Now I have two of the most powerful telepaths in all the Marvel Universe! Read it and weep!
Hey, you know, he's actually not in a wheelchair anymore!
I'm going to go a bit off the map here and choose Vulcan, the third Summers brother. The guy can manipulate any form of energy, plus he's pretty crazy. He's just the type of character I'd want on my team!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X
Yup, X is once again mobile. For some reason, after the House of M debacle, X had regained the use of his legs, but lost his telepathy. Then somewhere along the line he regained his telepathy. I'm blanking on how he got his powers back though...
Ah Deathstroke, a very good pick. Wow, with Bats, Wolvie and Slade, you've got one hell of a team when it comes to hand to hand combat! As for me, continuing with the trend of selecting villians, I'm taking the one and only, Dr. Doom! Doom can do it all, he's one of the smartest dudes in the Marvel U, he's a master sorcerer, and he talks about himself in the third person! What more could you ask for?
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke
I was about to be so pissed if I wasted a pick until you said he regained them.
Ouch, I didn't see doom coming. Well that's also a hell of a pick, but since you picked old Metal face super Metal armor cladded doom I'd be a food not to pick a certain man named Magneto!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto
Ooo, awesome pick... It's definitely on now! Hmm, I think I'll take Mr. Fantastic. Not even so much for his powers, but because he's the smartest man in all of the Marvel U. Mr. F is the type of guy who can be trapped in an unwinnable situation and suddenly create a giant alien death ray out of a rubber band and a ball of yarn! The more smart dudes on my team the better!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto
Hm....I don't blame you for picking up a Smarty pants, I think I'm gonna go the opposite route and pick someone with RAW power. I'm going to pick Superboy/Man Prime! I'd have to bribe him with Laurie or a chance to beat up Bart or something but it's worth it.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime
OK, great pick there. Prime was able to stand toe to toe with Supes, so power-wise, he's off the charts. That means my next pick is going to be a purely defensive move in order to deal with Prime. I'm going to pick the undisputed master of the Speed Force, Saint Barry Allen, The Flash! That way when you unleash Prime, I can have Barry drag him away to the Speed Force just like in Infinite Crisis! HA!!!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime
Barry Allen eh? Verrry good pick, well I guess I'll counter that with his good buddy and pal Hal "Highball" Jordan, The Green Lantern!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan
Well, you do know the best way to counter a Green Lantern right? With another Green Lantern! So with my next pick, I'm going to pick Kyle Rayner!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan
I was hoping you'd pick Kyle, because now I can pick the New and Improved Ion, my boy Sodam Yat. The powers of a Green Lantern and a Kryptonian since he's a Daxamite.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat
Oh, OK, now I see how it's gonna be! I think you know who I'm picking next, none other then Mon-El, not only does the dude have all of Supes powers, but he doesn't have a normal Daxamites weakness to lead anymore!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat
Hm....good pick sir, Well in THAT case I guess I'm going to pick...hm..The Mighty Thor!!! I mean he's a friggin God for pete's sake.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Thor
Hmm, I thought we were going to avoid those more godly characters! If you want to stick with Thor, I'll prob take Darkseid, but then we'll prob simply begin to match each other god for god. It's completely up to you though, I await your verdict.
Lmao, I so forgot that we said that. My bad..I've delayed voting by a day!!! Um...well in THAT case I think I'll go with Wally West to counter your Barry Allen pick and give me a Speedster of my own.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West
HA! No prob man, that just gives me an extra day to choose the perfect pick! BWA-HAHAHAH!!! Eh-hem, anyway, I choose Iron Man. Once again, the guy is a genius, plus he has the most bad-ass suit of armor the world has ever seen! So long as he stays off the hooch, it's all good!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West
CRAP I was SO gonna pick Tony and forgot who I was gonna pick so I picked Wally, then again I'm sure Magneto would handle Tony. And I couldn't let you get Darkseid because you have Supes and no one else can sing that well. Well, without further adieu my next pick will be... The Amazing Spider-Man!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man
I hate to tell you dude, but in some old issue of West Coast Avengers, Magneto fought the Avengers twice, the first time he OWNED Tony, but the second time Tony somehow Magneto-proofed his armor and was able to chase Mags off! See, that's why I try to take so many smart guys, they always find super cheap ways to win! Speaking of always finding a way to win, that's what Spidey always seems to do... Damn, I should have picked him sooner... Oh well, I guess I'll go with Power Girl! All of Supes powers, as well as a few other assets... ;)
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man
Hm...Glad I stole Spidey away then. Lol you usually shy away from jokes about the assets of Super Heroines so that genuinely made me laugh. All in all PG is a good pick, but all your smart guy talk got me thinking, So I decided I'm going to pick a certain former President of the United States, a Mr. Lex Luthor.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor
Dammit, I def would have taken Lex eventually, I honestly didn't think you were going to take him! Alright, since you've taken a brainiac, I'm going to switch things up and take another powerhouse. Even though I can't stand the guy, I'm going to select the Sentry. The guy has stood toe to toe with the most powerful Marvel heroes and come out on top, he may be a little bit crazy, but powerwise, he's a solid pick.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor
Hm...good pick indeed...I was hoping you wouldn't take my pick and you didn't so in honor of this week on this site I choose a great all-rounder and one of the most respected heroes in DC...Plus he has the Spidey effect of somehow pulling out a win, I choose Nightwing!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing
Ha, nice pick. As for me, I'm going to pick Paul Dini's favorite character(and apparently his wife!), Zatanna! You can't go wrong with DC's mistress of magic!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing
Argh I was gonna pick Zatanna...hm..well in THAT case I guess I can't go wrong with picking A power house like Black Adam. Having black Adam and Captain Marvel on my team should make it a real force.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam
Oh, I love that pick! I'm such a big Black Adam fan, I can't believe I forgot to choose him! Since I've already snagged the most powerful mage from the DCU, it only makes sense for me to grab the most powerful mage from the Marvel U as well! So, next up I pick, the Sorceror Supreme, Dr. Strange!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange. JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam
Ouch, you have some powerful wizardry my friend, very powerful indeed. I guess I can counter your earlier Amazonian pick by picking one of my own with Donna Troy.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy
Hahaha!!! And now to complete my magic trifecta, I'm going to select Dr. Fate! Yeah, it must suck to be your team now!!! ;-p
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy
Argh!!! I know nothing of Magicians when it comes to comics. Oh well..I'll grab the other member of the World's best Bromance with Oliver Queen!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow.
Hee hee, I will definitely use your lack of knowledge in the area of comic book magicians against you! Yeah, that's right, I'll win by any means necessary!
Ha! I knew you'd eventually grab Ollie! Hal was prob sending you subtle telepathic messages begging you to! Well, if you're taking the greatest archer in the DCU, then I'd be a fool not to snag the best archer in the Marvel Universe(when he's not pretending to be a ninja...)Hawkeye!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow.
Hm...touche my friend. And Yes Ollie was sending me telepathic messages from his ring, but ya know what, I'm slacking lately because I pick Jason Todd!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd.
Well, it's about time! Dude, once I picked X-Man, I was waiting for you to snag Jason! :-) Alright, I'm going to select the Invisible Woman. Anybody who can put an invisible ball in your throat and cause you to pass out due to asphyxiation is all right by me!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd.
Ahh good pick...I guess I'll have to go with someone who can fight their ass off and since I already have their dear old dad, I pick Rose Wilson aka Ravager!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager
Oh, I'd be down with allowing trades, but I'm feeling PRETTY confident with my team! :-) I think I'm going to go back to the bad guys with my next pick and choose Apocalypse. The dude's immortal, ultra strong, ultra durable, and at times nearly unbeatable!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager
Hm...well if you're gonna go with Apocalypse I guess I can go with a big bad villain of my own, I'm gonna go ahead and pick Doomsday! I mean he literally beat Supes to death...what more is there to say?
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday
Damn, THAT is a great pick. When it comes to powerhouses, they don't get any stronger then Doomsday... Or do they... Hmm, with my next pick, I'm going to take Hulk. I mean he's always screaming, "Hulk is the strongest there is!!!", so he must be pretty strong, right?
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday
Hm...I almost picked Hulk but since you did, I'll go with someone YOU recommended, I'm gonna go with another Father-Kid team, and pick Daken. Awww Yeah It just got hot in here! Lol
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken
HA!!!! I after the last post, I was completely prepared to pick Daken! He's the PERFECT opponent to take on Wolverine! Sweet pick! Well, I guess I'll go with one of my favorite Avengers enemies, Ultron then. Advanced intelligence, adamantium covering, coma inducing blasts, control over robotics, yeah, Ultron is a pretty solid pick.
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken
I saw, I'm so glad I stole Daken from under your nose. That made my day. Well I guess since you're picking Ultron I'd be a fool not to pick Braniac ;) HA!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac
Hmm, hmm, hmm, yet another good pick by you... Still, I'm confident my team can wipe the floor with yours! :-) Anyway, I'm going to take yet another kryptonian, this time, I'm picking Supergirl! That gives me Superman, Power Girl and Supergirl!!! Read 'em and weep!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac
Hm...Kryptonians eh...well since I have Brainiac and Lex Luthor AND Batman I'm confident I can handle that. Plus SB Prime and Sodam Yat...so Im gonna pick one of those talking Gorillas you hate so much and take Gorilla Grodd!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd
Ha, we just kept picking and picking... Well, that leaves the simple question, what next? Somehow we have to come up with a way to pit our teams against each other, as well as a fair way to decide winners... THAT is not going to be an easy task!
Hm...I say we each pick one more pick to even it at 25 each, then we start trades if any trades are made, THEN we pit who we want to face one on one from our teams, then since YOU have the most followers lol, we can have a post where people can vote on who wins the matches, and the team with the most winners is victorious...cool?
Hmm, I think I like that... The only gripe I have with that format is I think most of my followers lean more towards DC Comics. For the most part, I get more comments on my DC related posts then my Marvel ones. That means we could put like Jimmy Olson against Thor, and I get the feeling Jimmy would get more votes!
Maybe it would be better if we chose the matches like you said, then gave our reasons for why our guy would win using examples. For example, say you get the first match and you pit your first round guy(Cap Marvel)against my first round pick(Supes). You say, Cap M would win 'cause he's got magic powers and he almost always defeats Black Adam, who's also super-strong, as your arguement. I'd counter by saying Cap M only gets his powers from magic, so he really wouldn't be attacking Supes WITH magic. Of course written evidence would trump all arguements. Like if I had a comic where Power Girl was able to defeat Black Adam. Since Supes/PG are so similar, and CM/BA are similar, if PG could defeat BA, then it stands to reason that Supes could beat CM. If we were completely dead-locked, and couldn't find any evidence to support our arguement, then I'd be willing to have people vote on things. Have you ever been to Comicvine.com? According to the CB fans who hang out there, Deadpool could defeat Superman... Seeing something like that makes me question the logic of my fellow CB fans!
Lol, Jimmy beating Thor severely upsets me. Your reasoning sounds good, although I think we should ask your followers the Supes/CM thing because I think I recall CM beating up Supes, hell if I recall he did it in Kingdom Come as well.
Jimmy beating Thor makes me want to cry! I'll have to dig out my Kingdom Come mini to see that. It's been a while since I've read that, so I should prob give that a quick once over.
OK, for my FINAL pick, I'm going to choose Lady Shiva, probably THE best fighter in all of the DCU. How about that!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd
Hm....well since you're picking Lady Shiva...I gotta pick the guy who knows every fighting style ever AND he's from the 31st century, I pick Karate Kid! Now BRING IT SUCKA!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Oh snap, it's ON now!!! Wow, I can't believe I just said, "Oh snap"... Well, that's it then. Now we get to offer trades and stuff, right? Since I took the first pick, I will graciously grant you the privilege of offering up the first trade. Come on, wow me!
Lol @ Oh Snap! I feel like a fifth grade girl. Alright, I will offer you the following trades. Trade rules are you can offer up to three trades per post, and the most you can offer per trade is two for two...Alrighty I offer you the following trades:
Hal Jordan for Wonder Woman Donna Troy for Zatanna and Lastly Power Suit for Power Suit Lex Luthor for Ironman.
Now accept/decline and name your trades *throws down the Gauntlet....but not the Infinity Gauntlet* :P
For the record, I'm still embarassed that I said "Oh snap"!
Hmm, I'll have to decline Hal for WW, since I've got Kyle on my team. I'd rather keep WW instead of collect GL's.
Donna for Zatanna? Sorry dude, I'm keeping my magic characters!
I'm SO tempted to take that last trade, you KNOW I'm a huge Lex fan, but Lex has such a sucky track record... He just loses too much for my tastes. I have to hesitantly decline that one as well...
OK, here's what I'm looking for:
Mr. Fantastic and Hulk for Prof. X and Daken.
I'll let ya think about that one for now. Depending on what you do, I'll have a few more offers ready to go.
Hm....I need Daken because I know if I throw him at Wolvie that's a definite W in my column. Hm... as for Prof he's my only telepath besides Martian Manhunter and Grodd so I'm gonna have to decline. I WILL offer you
Wolverine and Donna Troy for Captain America and Power Girl!
Bah, foiled again! Jeez, you really seem like you want to get rid of poor Donna! Eh, I'm not really that interested in picking up Donna to be honest with you. I've already got the superior Amazon(WW), so I really don't need her... Unless you really wow me with a great offer!
How about:
Hulk for Superboy Prime OR Apocalypse for Doomsday?
Nah, WW is just too strong + she's one of the top fighters in the DCU... I can't make that trade... You know, I'm slowly starting to get the feeling that we aren't going to wind up making any trades here!
Hm... I was offered the first trade so you can go. So what are we gonna do, you pick your person vs. my person or do you name who you wanna use and I name who i want to face them or whats up?
How about I pick one of my people and one of yours, and then tell you why I think my pick would win. From there, you can either try to refute what I'm saying, or just cede me the victory. If you challenge my pick, then we can debate it for a while, use examples from comics/online to prove our points, etc. If it's completely deadlocked, and niether one of us will budge on it, I'll put a poll up on the blog for a few days, and hopefully someone besides you, me and Falisha will vote on it!
OK, here we go! I'm going to start by selecting Superman from my side to take on Donna Troy from yours. I have no doubt that Supes would ultimately overcome Donna based on the fact that a robot duplicate of Supes killed Donna during the Graduation Day mini-series a few years back. If Donna couldn't defeat a robot Superman, there ain't NO way she can take the real thing! HA, Refute that!
Victories: X: JT:
Remaining Characters: X: X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
You win that, I have no way to POSSIBLY refute that. So that's your point. I'm going to say my Sodam Yat vs. Your Captain America.
The reason why is because Sodam not only had Green Lantern powers but the powers of Superman, I don't think I'd be incorrect in saying Cap can do ALOT of things but beating Superman is not one of them, So I think Sodam would beat Cap. Your rebuttal?
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, JT:
Remaining Characters: X: X-Man, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn... I sat in front of my computer for a good 5 minutes wracking my brain trying to find a way for Cap to win that fight, but I just can't... :-( Superman + GL ring = loss for Cap!
Alright, it's time for me to get my point back! X-Man vs. Prof. X in an all out, psionic brawl!!! What proof do I have that Nate could defeat the Prof? X-Man #10. That's where Nate whomps on Charlie X on the astral plane. In order to avoid any permanent damage, Prof. X had to fake his death. You can argue Prof. X has the experience edge, but Nate has the edge in raw power, and he's already defeated Prof. X with that power before. What do you have to say to that???
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, JT: Cap/Sodam,
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
As someone who doesn't know much about Nate I could try to refute that but I know I won't win. So since you cited Nate beating X I'll give you that point. But now it's my turn again, and I'm gonna say Brainiac vs. Ultron. Why? Because Ultron is a friggin robot, come on now. Brainiac would hack Ultron and end up controlling him and have him working on my team. :P
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
I love that you won't even TRY to refute my knowledge of Nate! It's like I always say(sometimes...), nobody knows more about obscure, c-list Marvel heroes then me!
You know, I REALLY want to argue that point... I REALLY, REALLY do! BUT, I can remember Dr. Doom pretty much doing the same thing to Ultron, and if Doom can do it, I have to imagine that Brainiac could too... Bah, the point is yours my friend.
In continuing with my plan, I'm going to pit Jean Grey against the Martian Manhunter... Now, this should be interesting. The way I see it, MM is physically stronger then Jean, and they are matched telepathically. BUT, Jean can use pyrokinesis when she's using her Pheonix abilities, and I'd have to think the image of Jean on fire would freak MM out just long enough for Jean to take him out with her telepathy. And if that doesn't work, she could just light his green ass on fire! I bet that would work! :-)
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Lol, You know...I honestly didn't see that coming. Once again I won't dispute you because I mean come on, there's not much MM can do outside of trying to turn into someone Jean cares about to confuse her but the second she lights him up she's done. Your point.
I'm gonna go ahead and say Wolverine vs. Lady Shiva. Shiva may be a hell of a fighter but Wolverine's no slouch at all. Coupled with his healing factor and all around rage I gotta say Wolverine would be able to beat Shiva. Your rebuttal?
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Now this is one that I may try to argue! Awesome choice by the way though, that would be a sweet battle. Shiva has been established as THE number 1 fighter in the DCU, while Wolverine is def among the top in the Marvel U, so they'd probably have a great battle. The only thing is, I think Shiva could prob frustrate Wolvie to the point where he'd go into one of his berserker rages, and if that were to happen, I think Shiva would be able to defeat him. If Wolvie could keep a level head though, things could possibly be different... I'll tell you what, when I have some free time tomorrow, I'm going to dig through my old Wolverine books and see if there's a case where a master martial artist was able to soundly defeat him. If not, then I'll cede you the point.
Alright, I'm fine with that. I think Wolvie would be able to take her, In Superman Batman issue 4 or 5 I think, I recall Bruce knocking her out with one punch but yeah..lol. He was pissed about her having beat up Selina that one time so he decked her when they had a fight.
My sister was telling me that the Jinx was able to take her in a recent issue of Red Robin, and if that's the case, there's NO way she could take Wolvie! *sigh* I'll cede this one to you...
Now to get my point back, I'm going to pit Vulcan against Magneto. There aint NO way Mags could take the third Summers brother my friend, NO way! Vulcan manipulates and can use or shut down any powers thrown at him. Once he EASILY defeated Cyclops, Marvel Girl and Wolverine in one fell swoop(in the AWESOME Deadly Genesis mini-series). He directed Cyke's optic blast into Wolverine and used Marvel Girl's telepathic and telekinesis powers against her and the rest of the team, PLUS he was able to shut down Cyclops' powers, and keep Marvel Girl's vast powers in check. On top of that, he was able to stand toe to toe with Black Bolt, who is one of the more powerful non-mutants in all of Marvel in the War of Kings mini. If Mags tried to use his magnetic powers on Vulcan directly, Vulcan would simply alter them to benefit himself or simply shut Mags powers off and blow a hole through his chest. Simple as that.
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn....I think you've more than proven your point, plus my extensive lack of Marvel comic knowledge I must give you that point lol. But now to even it up, I'm going to pit Doomsday vs. Power Girl. Say what you want, I know PG is strong but Superman died trying to kill Doomsday, so I highly doubt PG could stop him. Your rebuttal?
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Yeah, I really don't have a rebuttal for that one... One of the reasons I choose Superman so quickly was because I wanted to avoid him facing off against Doomsday... I prob should have did the same with PG! Oh well, the point is yours. I think I'm going to make my next battle Mr. Fantastic vs. none other then Jason Todd!!! I'll def be interested in hearing what you have to say about this one! My logic here is that #1, Mr. F is THE smartest man in all of the Marvel U, so what ever sneaky plan Jason laid out would be easily dispatched by Mr. F, then you've got the fact that with his rubbery skin, knives and bullets bounce off of Mr. F, which would leave Jason little to do. All Mr. F would need to do is grab a hold of Jason and he'd be wrapped up nice and tight! Have at that!
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
My rebuttal would be, working with Bruce Jason doesn't go into a fight without studying his opponents, but considering Mr. Fantastic is super damn smart I won't argue because he's damn sure smarter than Jason. Your point. But what are you gonna do now that I'm matching up Superboy Prime vs. The Hulk. Keep in mind that Superman has defeated the Hulk on at least two occasions and Superboy Prime has been shown to be stronger than Superman. Your reply?
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday,
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn it, I had a whole long spiel typed out, but my network is acting up tonight(it always messes with me when it's really windy or when it's really snowy...), bottom line is that your totally right about Hulk/Prime, that's the reason I tried to trade Hulk to you in the first place!
I'm going to piy Dr. Fate against Capt. Marvel. I figure Fate being a master of magic would be able to turn CM back into a kid and then knock him out with a headbutt. Sorry if I'm rushing, but I've got to get thie done before my network messes me up again!
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime,
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Supergirl,
JT: Bats, Deathstroke, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Lol I figured that, which is why I let you keep the big Green Machine. I would argue that Cap has the wisdom of Solomon so whatever Fate has planned I'd think Cap could see it coming but Fate has some otherworldly powers so I'll give you that one.
I'm gonna throw the The Dark Knight at Supergirl. Say what ya want but that's a automatic point. If he can beat the Man of Steel he can beat the Girl of Steel.
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime,
Remaining Characters: X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse,
JT: Deathstroke, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Mmmm, That's a good one. There's NO way I can argue with that one. Nice move. I was actually about to pit Bats against Wonder Woman with my next battle, since she seems to have the ability to defeat Bats with a simple headlock! So instead of WW vs. Bats, I'm going to go with WW vs. Hal Jordan!!! How's that for a mega battle! My logic here is kind of convuluted, so hopefully you'll understand what I'm talking about. Wonder Woman was able to stand up to Superman when he was being mind-controlled by Maxwell Lord(right before WW snapped his neck). Superboy Prime was able to kill several Green Lanterns during Infinite Crisis. So, if WW can stand up to Supes, and Prime can kill several Green Lanterns, remembering that Prime IS Supes, only younger(and WAY dumber)that would lead me to believe that WW would also be able to kill Green Lanterns if she so chose to. In other words, WW can hang with Supes in a fight, but Green Lanterns can't, so therefore, WW>Green Lanterns! Whew, it took me a while, but I think I made my point! :-)
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman
Remaining Characters: X: Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse,
JT: Deathstroke, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Okay, Thats a logic I understand. So I'll give you that because it makes perfect sense. I actually wanted to use Bats before you fed him to someone stronger so that works.
My pick is going to be, Deathstroke vs. Barry Allen. Why you ask? Because this is the same Deathstroke that beat up Zatanna, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Hawkman and Wally West by himself. Deathstroke is always ready, always has a plan and if he doesn't want to lose he won't. Hell he's beaten Wally along with for other Leaguer's and shot Impulse in the knee. That's two of the four Speedsters right there. Plus he's evil Batman, and as smart as Batman is you know he'd have a plan for Barry, so thats why I believe Slade would as well. Your retort?
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman
Remaining Characters: X: Dr. Doom, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Hmm, I really want to argue this one, but you really made a strong point... Slade HAS defeated Wally and most of the League at the same time, and he was always able to stand up to Wally when he was still Kid Flash, so I can't really argue that one. Sure, with Saint Barry being Geoff Johns' Chosen One, I doubt he'd lose to Slade in any comic, but Slade has shown he CAN defeat speedsters when he has to.
I'm going to give myself an easy win and go for Apocalypse vs. Ravager. Do I even have to explain this one?!? What's Ravager going to do, kick a guy who's gone toe to toe with the entire X-Men team, the Hulk, and is actually spoken to by the Watcher? You can't cut him with a sword, you can't shoot him with a gun, and she's nowhere near strong enough to do him any real damage. All I have left to say is, gimme my point!!! :p
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke
Remaining Characters: X: Dr. Doom, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Lmao take your point. I had no one to match her up against anyway. Lex Luthor vs. Ironman. Lex's power suit is designed to take on SUPERMAN, also it's New God technology, so most likely far too advanced for Tony to hack in the middle of a fight, plus Lex's suit has been shown to vaporize three OMAC's in one blast. Your move sir...Lol
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse. JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke
Remaining Characters: X: Dr. Doom, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Hmmmm...... Now this is one battle I think I may want to sleep on before conceding the point... You know, out of every fight we've put out so far, I think this one is prob the most evenly matched. I think I'm def going to take a few hours to think about this fight. Thanks, now instead of paying attention to my Accounting professor in class tomorrow, I'll be going over Tony Stark vs. Lex Luthor in my head!
You know, I don't know how well the Lex has battled Supes with his power suit arguement works, since Lex almost always loses to Supes! Jeez, I'm not sure that Lex could defeat Tony... I'm really not. Even if Lex managed to gain the upper hand, I think his ego would prevent him from winning. Plus the fact that Tony's entire body is well protected by his armor, while Lex arrogantly doesn't have his face protected by the same armor that protects his body, also works against Lex in this battle. Hmm, hmm, hmm...... Tony is one of the five smartest men in the Marvel U, while I'd go so far as to say Lex is THE smartest man in the DCU. *sigh*... I think I'm going to GRUDGINGLY give you the point here... I've seen Tony get his armor messed up by the Hulk, Spider-Man and Captain America, so I think it's a definite possibility that Lex could(provided he keeps his ego in check)take Tony... Gah, I REALLY hate to lose on that one...
OK, to wash the stink of defeat off of myself, I'm going to pit Dr. Doom against Daken. Doom's armor provides him with its own specialized environment, which would prevent Daken's phermones from affecting Doom, plus Daken's claws are simply bone(except for the two Wolverine killing blades), not indestructable like Wolvies claws are, which means that even if Daken could get close enough, he wouldn't be able to cut through Doom's personal force field or his armor. Daken gets too close, Doom takes to the air and vaoprizes Wolvie's baby boy. 'Nuff said!
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse. JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke, Iron Man/Lex Luthor,
Lol I knew Lex exposing his head would come up and while I'm happy to get that I hate that you chose Daken because I was SO gonna use him against someone else. But valid points as always so I'll give you that one.
Wally West vs. Zatanna. Simply put he can beat her before she can even say her spell out loud. Further proof would be when I referenced Deathstroke beating up JLA members, he beat her by punching her in the throat so she couldn't say her spells due to her vomiting a ton. If he can do it I'm damn sure positive a Speedster can. Or Wally could just run around her fast enough to vacuum all the oxygen surrounding her body, thus she can't breathe and passes out.
Your move Gov'ner.
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse, Daken/Doom JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke, Iron Man/Lex Luthor,
Meh, I'll give you that point. I'd have challenged it, but once you mentioned the vacuum thing, there was nothing I could say to counter that. Wow, we're really getting towards the end, aren't we? I'm going to go after your final remaining powerhouse, Black Adam, and pit him against Marvel's Sorcerer Supreme, Dr. Strange. Adam derives his powers from magic, no? Dr. Strange is the MASTER of magic in the Marvel U... I can't imagine Strange wouldn't be able to come up with a spell to either turn Adam back into simple, powerless Teth-Adam, or if that fails, simply banishing him to another dimension, such as the Dark Dimension. If ya ask me, magic is def Adam's achilles heel!
Woo boy, I think I've just about got this game all wrapped up my friend! Your next move is going to be huge! Ya play it wrong, and it's ALLLLLL over!!! >:-)
Victories: X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse, Daken/Doom JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke, Iron Man/Lex Luthor, Zatanna/Wally West,
Damn it..I was gonna use Black Adam to Stalemate your Sentry, well I guess I'll just have to MIND CONTROL HIM with Gorilla Grodd. I'm gonna say, Gorilla Grodd who's psionic abilities would allow him to mind control Sentry into blasting and subduing himself with his own cosmic beam. Yeah Im grasping at straws screw it. Lol I declare you the winner of this battle. Name your prize good sir. I concede to the wisdom of The X-Man!
HA!!! All bow before the infinite wisdom of X-Man75, the man, the myth, the LEGEND!!! How's that for being a gracious winner? :-)
Yeah, your only real choice was to use Grodd to take on Sentry or Mon-El, but then which ever one was left(Mon-El in this case)would just walk over one of your guys. GA and Hawkeye would cancel each other out, and Kyle and IW would prob win their battles as well. Hey, I'll say this much, until the very end, it was DAMN close. I wonder if things would have turned out differently if we were only using DC characters, since I have a really unfair advantage when it came to the Marvel Universe over you.
Wow, we were working at this tournament for 117 comments! I'm almost sorry to see it end, although I'd have felt worse if I had lost! :p
"Lol I have a feeling you're holding this over my head for a while :P" To the victor go the spoils mi amigo!
Yeah, maybe in a few weeks(Spring Break perhaps?)we can give it another go. A second tournament should be interesting, because next time we'll be a little bit more aware of what strategies each one of us will be going with.
Sorry, but I can't help but smile whenever Bats really takes it to Joker like he does here.
Thats awesome. too bad Bruce couldn't kill him and Jason wouldn't have subsequently snapped.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that makes for a great what if. How different would Jason's return have been had Bats accedentally/on purpose killed Joker...
ReplyDeleteYeah or if he didn't get brought back would we have seen Black Lantern Jason & Bruce? Jason haunting Dick and Tim? Well attacking not haunting.
ReplyDeleteYeah, you know, if Bruce would have accidentally/on purpose killed Joker, Jason prob wouldn't have come back, because Bruce would have avenged his death, and Jason's return wouldn't have had the same impact.
ReplyDeleteI'd much rather a BL Jason and Joker attacking a live and well Bruce. THAT would have really blew Bruce's mind.
That would be awesome to have a BL Joker and Jason. And yeah you're right Jason probably wouldn't have came back. It's funny how different things are when you think about how far ahead they had to plan after Final Crisis or if they just randomly decided to make Black hand have "Bruce's" Skull.
ReplyDeleteWell, I know Geoff Johns plans things WELL in advance, he was openly hinting at Blackest Night from Green Lantern #25, and he reintroduced Black Hand in some of the earliest issues of the GL series, so I kind of think Geoff was planning on using "Bruce's" skull for years now. Then again, maybe using "Bruce's" skull was one of those spur of the moment things. I kind of think it was prob planned well in advance though.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm sure it was. Like I said a while back, they mentioned Blackest Night back in 52 with Skeets and Booster so this stuff is planned WAY on advance. I can't even imagine what their planning now for 2011.
ReplyDeleteI actually wouldn't mind if they went a year or two without a major company-wide crossover event. It's like every year like clockwork, there's some sort of major x-over going on!
ReplyDeleteLol helps sell comics so they'll keep on doing it. I'd like to see a more recent DC Marvel thing, maybe Wonder Woman taking on Miss Marvel or something like that.
ReplyDeleteGive me a DC/Marvel crossover co-written by Geoff Johns and Ed Brubaker and I'd die a VERY happy man! Damn, that would rule on 985 different levels!
ReplyDeleteOh man, that'd be awesome. Okay, I gotta ask, do you think that Wolverine could take Lobo in a fight? Because I like Wolvey but come on...Lobo is so bad ass.
ReplyDeleteHmm, see, that's a tough one. I know Lobo has like Supes level strength, but Wolvie's got the claws and the healing factor, as well as experience against insanely strong foes like Hulk and Wendigo. Plus Wolvie is pretty much Marvel's top guy. That would be like a less then top Marvel guy like Justice defeating Batman. You know DC would never allow that, just like I doubt Marvel would ever let Wolvie go down to Lobo.
ReplyDeleteTrue, maybe that's why they didn't match Wolvie up with someone like Supes or Batman, because I think Supes could beat him and Batman would probably use some metal stabilizer or some high tech gadget to subdue Logan.
ReplyDeleteYeah, no doubt Wolvie would lose to Supes or Bats. Supes could take Wolvie in like 50 different ways, and Bats could take Wolvie with smarts or possibly even in a hand-to-hand battle. Then again, a hand-to-hand fight between Wolvie and Bats would probably end in a deadlock like the fight between Bats and Cap did since Cap and Wolvie battled to a stalemate not that long ago.
ReplyDeleteHm...I'd like to see a Wolvie and Cap fight, if you recall that issue lemme know. Seem's like it'd be very interesting.
ReplyDeleteOkay, 5 vs. 5 man team, you pick Marvel or DC and then pick your 5 person team and I'll do the same. Heroes and Villains are allowed. Except no Galactus or anyone that's bigger than a planet.
I know it was in an early issue of Wolverine Origins, not sure which one though, I'll have to do some digging tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteOoo, OK. Let's see, Superman, Captain America, Thor, Wonder Woman and aw what the hell, X-Man! There ain't no force on any world that could stand up to THAT team!
Sweet, lemme know dude, I'll pick it up on Wednesday.
ReplyDeleteHm....That's a HELL of a team. Very powerful, So I'll go with Captain Marvel for Supes, Batman for Cap, Black Adam for Thor, Ms. Marvel for Wonder Woman and lastly for X-Man Magneto! Bwa-hahahahaha!
If I wasn't feeling so lazy, I'd dig it out now, but no such luck. Note to self: find that damn comic tomorrow!!!
ReplyDeletePfft, dude, Captain Marvel for Supes? Really?!? I'll give you the fact that their matched strength wise, but come on, Supes can pretty much do everything CM can do, and more! Cap takes Bats hands down. I think in the DC?Marvel mini when they fought, Bats pretty much conceded that eventually he'd wind up losing to Cap. That's two down ;) Let's see, Black Adam and Thor is an interesting one. Their pretty much matched powerwise, but Thor has his hammer and his control over the elements, I'd bet enough lightning strikes would take Adam out. Ms Marvel for WW?!? WW is as strong as Supes(well sometimes)Ms. Marvel ain't even close! Marvel does have the advantage of her blasts, but you'd think that WW could counter that with her bracers. X-Man takes Mags helmet off with his Telekinesis and then KO's him with his telepathy, game over. Don't you just hate when I take your team and just take then apart? Man I'm a real jerk! :P
You know what we should do, we should draft like 20-30 characters from both companies and then pit our characters against each other. That could be fun.
No rush dude, I'm the king when it comes to lazy relaxing, hell ya break just started, get some relaxation my man.
ReplyDeleteSee but you're forgetting, Supes is Vulnerable to magic and Cap is Magic so he has the edge. I could dispute the lighting blasts from Thor because Black Adam gets blasted with Lightning ever time he turns to and from Teth-Adam, Mags wouldn't let Nate get close enough to remove his helmet lol, I hope he's not that dumb. And yeah I'll give you the WW Marvel. What If I replace Ms Marvel with Storm and Magneto with Phoenix? Bwahahaha
That sounds cool, I'm down for it if you are. Wanna make some rules/guidelines?
I still haven't gotten to looking yet, but as long as I keep bringing it up, I won't forget!
ReplyDeleteYeah, but does Cap really throw magis around? I know in the DC/MK game he did, but I can't remember him shooting lightning in any of his comic appearances... I could be wrong though. Still, Supes has taken out magic based foes before, I think he could take Marvel. See, I know Storm beat WW in the x-over, but that x-over was done by fan voting, and let's face it, fans just vote for the more popular character. I honestly feel WW should be able to beat storm in a fair contest. But she has lost to Storm before so... As for Nate /Jean, that would be an awesome battle. BUT, in an issue of Cable, Moria MacTaggart(THE expert in mutations in the Marvel U)once stated that Nate's power output was comparable/maybe even bigger then that of the Phoenix force. In a head to head battle, Jean's got the experience edge, but Nate's got the edge in pure, unadulterated power. So it's a matter of going with youth and power or age and experience. Man, that one is really tough to call...
Well, the only guidelines I would add is that no cosmic beings should be involved(Galactus, the Guardians of the Univrse of OA, etc). Besides that, I say anything goes. If you're down with that, I'll make my first pick tonight, so if you have anything to add, let me.
Lol that's all that matters, that you remember!
ReplyDeleteWhenever they've fought on like TV shows (JLU) and animated movies it's always been Marvel dominating, hell even in Kingdom Come Supes couldn't beat Marvel. I agree that WW would beat Storm, I just picked her because she won that crossover like you mentioned. So just by switching two people my team has been made formidable. Oh yeah!!!! lol
Sounds good to me. Feel free to make your pick, and just so I'm clear can only one Hero name be used? As in if you pick Hal Jordan can I pick Kyle Rayner since their both GL's or if you pick Wally can I pick Barry?
The main fight is in Wolverine Origins #4, with the conclusion in Origins #5. There, I finnaly looked!
ReplyDeleteI just don't get that with Marvel and Supes... I like them both, but I just can't see Marvel take Supes...
Yeah, I say let them all in, just so long as you don't choose a team of super obscure GL's! The GL's should prob include the top 4(Jordan, Rayner, Stewart and Gardner)and since there are only 3 or 4 Flashes, I don't have a prob with including all of them. Now, before we get started, should we just concentrate on heroes and then do villains, or just put them all together, and what # should we go up to? Once that's settled, I think we're ready to go!
Check you out looking through the comics. You're my hero!!! Lol
ReplyDeleteI'd rather just say their equals and let them have a draw everytime.
Um...You said 20 earlier but if that's too many we can do 15 or something, it;s your choice, and lets do Superheroes and Villains together. Now presenting his first pick in the X-Man/Jason Todd battle, X-MAN!!!
Yeah, it's about time I started digging through my old comics! Now I just have to take the time to clean up the mess of comics all over the place... Ugh.
ReplyDeleteAlright, we'll go with 20 selections then. Here we go, my first round pick for our soon to be EPIC battle is: Superman!!!
X: Superman
JT:Up next!
I do not envy you having to clean up all of your comics. Sounds like a ten man job.
ReplyDeleteAlright, well since you started off with a big gun, I will as well, I'll pick The Silver Surfer! Well you said no cosmic beings but he has cosmic powers so I don't know if he counts, if so he's my pick, if not I'll take Captain Marvel.
X: Superman
JT: Silver Surfer or Captain Marvel
Yeah, it's at least a ten man job! I bet right now I never even get to cleaning up my comics. There are so many other parts of my apartment I have to get to first that by the time I've straightened everything up I won't have any time to work on my comics! Oh well, at least there's spring break!
ReplyDeleteHmm, maybe we should ban guys like the Surfer. If we use the Surfer, then I'd prob wind up picking somebody like Darksied(or one of Galactus' other heralds), and we'll wind up with a whole mess of gods and stuff... How's about we ban all guys with cosmic powers as well as all gods, that way we keep the playing field a little bit more on the level side.
As for my pick, after reading Dark X-Men #2, I have no choice but to go with X-Man!!! The guy has more powers then I can shake a stick at, I'd be crazy(stupid!)not to pick him!
X: Superman, X-Man
JT: Captain Marvel
Man...but by then you'll have 200 more comics!!! It's like a never-ending job for you, The Collector. That's your new moniker, X-Man "The Collector!"
ReplyDeleteHm...that's cool, and with you picking X I gotta make a pick that's on the defensive, He'd lose to X-Man but he's still a great asset to my team, Bruce Wayne, Batman.
X: Superman, X-Man
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman
Gah!!! Damn you Jason Todd! *Shakes fist angrily* My last pick was a toss up between Batman and X-Man. I was DEFINITELY going to pick Bats with my next pick... Oh well, I guess I'll go with plan B and select Captain America with my third pick. There's no greater leader in all of comics then Cap. Haha, let's see you top THAT one!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Captain America
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman
Hm....well considering I stole The Dark Knight from you, I'll pick someone who can at least go one on one with Cap and definitely won't lose. my next pick is Wolverine!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Captain America
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman, Wolverine
Gah, there goes my next pick... I thought I was supposed to be the mind reader! OK, with Wolvie off the table I'll go with Wonder Woman. That's a solid pick all the way around.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, Woner Woman
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman, Wolverine
Hm...with Wondy gone I'll go back to getting someone that may rival X in terms of a pick, I'll pick Martian Manhunter as my resident Telepath.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, Wonder Woman
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter
Mmmm, very good pick there. MM is prob the most powerful Telepath in the DCU. To counter that pick I'm going to take Jean Grey next. Ha! Now I have two of the most powerful telepaths in all the Marvel Universe! Read it and weep!
ReplyDeleteX:Supes, X-Man, Cap, Wonder Woman, Jean Grey.
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter
Hm...I saw that coming, I really did, so I will make a bold pick and pick Professor Xavier!!!
ReplyDeleteI know he's in a wheelchair but he's pretty bad ass lol.
X:Supes, X-Man, Cap, Wonder Woman, Jean Grey.
JT: Captain Marvel, Batman, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X
Hey, you know, he's actually not in a wheelchair anymore!
ReplyDeleteI'm going to go a bit off the map here and choose Vulcan, the third Summers brother. The guy can manipulate any form of energy, plus he's pretty crazy. He's just the type of character I'd want on my team!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X
Things are starting to get very stratigic now!
Wait....wait....wait...X ISN'T in the Wheelchair anymore? PLEASE explain.
ReplyDeleteHm...an Energy Manipulator, good pick. I think I'm gonna go with my first Villain of the team, I'll take Deathstroke The Terminator!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke
Yup, X is once again mobile. For some reason, after the House of M debacle, X had regained the use of his legs, but lost his telepathy. Then somewhere along the line he regained his telepathy. I'm blanking on how he got his powers back though...
ReplyDeleteAh Deathstroke, a very good pick. Wow, with Bats, Wolvie and Slade, you've got one hell of a team when it comes to hand to hand combat! As for me, continuing with the trend of selecting villians, I'm taking the one and only, Dr. Doom! Doom can do it all, he's one of the smartest dudes in the Marvel U, he's a master sorcerer, and he talks about himself in the third person! What more could you ask for?
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke
I was about to be so pissed if I wasted a pick until you said he regained them.
ReplyDeleteOuch, I didn't see doom coming. Well that's also a hell of a pick, but since you picked old Metal face super Metal armor cladded doom I'd be a food not to pick a certain man named Magneto!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto
Ooo, awesome pick... It's definitely on now! Hmm, I think I'll take Mr. Fantastic. Not even so much for his powers, but because he's the smartest man in all of the Marvel U. Mr. F is the type of guy who can be trapped in an unwinnable situation and suddenly create a giant alien death ray out of a rubber band and a ball of yarn! The more smart dudes on my team the better!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto
Hm....I don't blame you for picking up a Smarty pants, I think I'm gonna go the opposite route and pick someone with RAW power. I'm going to pick Superboy/Man Prime! I'd have to bribe him with Laurie or a chance to beat up Bart or something but it's worth it.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime
OK, great pick there. Prime was able to stand toe to toe with Supes, so power-wise, he's off the charts. That means my next pick is going to be a purely defensive move in order to deal with Prime. I'm going to pick the undisputed master of the Speed Force, Saint Barry Allen, The Flash! That way when you unleash Prime, I can have Barry drag him away to the Speed Force just like in Infinite Crisis! HA!!!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime
Barry Allen eh? Verrry good pick, well I guess I'll counter that with his good buddy and pal Hal "Highball" Jordan, The Green Lantern!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan
Well, you do know the best way to counter a Green Lantern right? With another Green Lantern! So with my next pick, I'm going to pick Kyle Rayner!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan
I was hoping you'd pick Kyle, because now I can pick the New and Improved Ion, my boy Sodam Yat. The powers of a Green Lantern and a Kryptonian since he's a Daxamite.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat
Oh, OK, now I see how it's gonna be! I think you know who I'm picking next, none other then Mon-El, not only does the dude have all of Supes powers, but he doesn't have a normal Daxamites weakness to lead anymore!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat
Hm....good pick sir, Well in THAT case I guess I'm going to pick...hm..The Mighty Thor!!! I mean he's a friggin God for pete's sake.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Thor
Hmm, I thought we were going to avoid those more godly characters! If you want to stick with Thor, I'll prob take Darkseid, but then we'll prob simply begin to match each other god for god. It's completely up to you though, I await your verdict.
ReplyDeleteLmao, I so forgot that we said that. My bad..I've delayed voting by a day!!! Um...well in THAT case I think I'll go with Wally West to counter your Barry Allen pick and give me a Speedster of my own.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West
HA! No prob man, that just gives me an extra day to choose the perfect pick! BWA-HAHAHAH!!! Eh-hem, anyway, I choose Iron Man. Once again, the guy is a genius, plus he has the most bad-ass suit of armor the world has ever seen! So long as he stays off the hooch, it's all good!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West
CRAP I was SO gonna pick Tony and forgot who I was gonna pick so I picked Wally, then again I'm sure Magneto would handle Tony. And I couldn't let you get Darkseid because you have Supes and no one else can sing that well. Well, without further adieu my next pick will be... The Amazing Spider-Man!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man
I hate to tell you dude, but in some old issue of West Coast Avengers, Magneto fought the Avengers twice, the first time he OWNED Tony, but the second time Tony somehow Magneto-proofed his armor and was able to chase Mags off! See, that's why I try to take so many smart guys, they always find super cheap ways to win! Speaking of always finding a way to win, that's what Spidey always seems to do... Damn, I should have picked him sooner... Oh well, I guess I'll go with Power Girl! All of Supes powers, as well as a few other assets... ;)
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man
Hm...Glad I stole Spidey away then. Lol you usually shy away from jokes about the assets of Super Heroines so that genuinely made me laugh. All in all PG is a good pick, but all your smart guy talk got me thinking, So I decided I'm going to pick a certain former President of the United States, a Mr. Lex Luthor.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor
Dammit, I def would have taken Lex eventually, I honestly didn't think you were going to take him! Alright, since you've taken a brainiac, I'm going to switch things up and take another powerhouse. Even though I can't stand the guy, I'm going to select the Sentry. The guy has stood toe to toe with the most powerful Marvel heroes and come out on top, he may be a little bit crazy, but powerwise, he's a solid pick.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor
Hm...good pick indeed...I was hoping you wouldn't take my pick and you didn't so in honor of this week on this site I choose a great all-rounder and one of the most respected heroes in DC...Plus he has the Spidey effect of somehow pulling out a win, I choose Nightwing!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing
Ha, nice pick. As for me, I'm going to pick Paul Dini's favorite character(and apparently his wife!), Zatanna! You can't go wrong with DC's mistress of magic!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing
Argh I was gonna pick Zatanna...hm..well in THAT case I guess I can't go wrong with picking A power house like Black Adam. Having black Adam and Captain Marvel on my team should make it a real force.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam
Oh, I love that pick! I'm such a big Black Adam fan, I can't believe I forgot to choose him! Since I've already snagged the most powerful mage from the DCU, it only makes sense for me to grab the most powerful mage from the Marvel U as well! So, next up I pick, the Sorceror Supreme, Dr. Strange!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam
Ouch, you have some powerful wizardry my friend, very powerful indeed. I guess I can counter your earlier Amazonian pick by picking one of my own with Donna Troy.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy
Hahaha!!! And now to complete my magic trifecta, I'm going to select Dr. Fate! Yeah, it must suck to be your team now!!! ;-p
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy
Argh!!! I know nothing of Magicians when it comes to comics. Oh well..I'll grab the other member of the World's best Bromance with Oliver Queen!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow.
Hee hee, I will definitely use your lack of knowledge in the area of comic book magicians against you! Yeah, that's right, I'll win by any means necessary!
ReplyDeleteHa! I knew you'd eventually grab Ollie! Hal was prob sending you subtle telepathic messages begging you to! Well, if you're taking the greatest archer in the DCU, then I'd be a fool not to snag the best archer in the Marvel Universe(when he's not pretending to be a ninja...)Hawkeye!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow.
Hm...touche my friend. And Yes Ollie was sending me telepathic messages from his ring, but ya know what, I'm slacking lately because I pick Jason Todd!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd.
Well, it's about time! Dude, once I picked X-Man, I was waiting for you to snag Jason! :-) Alright, I'm going to select the Invisible Woman. Anybody who can put an invisible ball in your throat and cause you to pass out due to asphyxiation is all right by me!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd.
Ahh good pick...I guess I'll have to go with someone who can fight their ass off and since I already have their dear old dad, I pick Rose Wilson aka Ravager!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager
Btw what do you think about allowing a certain number of trades at the end of the picks?
ReplyDeleteOh, I'd be down with allowing trades, but I'm feeling PRETTY confident with my team! :-)
ReplyDeleteI think I'm going to go back to the bad guys with my next pick and choose Apocalypse. The dude's immortal, ultra strong, ultra durable, and at times nearly unbeatable!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager
Hm...well if you're gonna go with Apocalypse I guess I can go with a big bad villain of my own, I'm gonna go ahead and pick Doomsday! I mean he literally beat Supes to death...what more is there to say?
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday
Damn, THAT is a great pick. When it comes to powerhouses, they don't get any stronger then Doomsday... Or do they... Hmm, with my next pick, I'm going to take Hulk. I mean he's always screaming, "Hulk is the strongest there is!!!", so he must be pretty strong, right?
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday
Hm...I almost picked Hulk but since you did, I'll go with someone YOU recommended, I'm gonna go with another Father-Kid team, and pick Daken. Awww Yeah It just got hot in here! Lol
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken
HA!!!! I after the last post, I was completely prepared to pick Daken! He's the PERFECT opponent to take on Wolverine! Sweet pick! Well, I guess I'll go with one of my favorite Avengers enemies, Ultron then. Advanced intelligence, adamantium covering, coma inducing blasts, control over robotics, yeah, Ultron is a pretty solid pick.
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken
I saw, I'm so glad I stole Daken from under your nose. That made my day. Well I guess since you're picking Ultron I'd be a fool not to pick Braniac ;) HA!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac
Hmm, hmm, hmm, yet another good pick by you... Still, I'm confident my team can wipe the floor with yours! :-) Anyway, I'm going to take yet another kryptonian, this time, I'm picking Supergirl! That gives me Superman, Power Girl and Supergirl!!! Read 'em and weep!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac
Hm...Kryptonians eh...well since I have Brainiac and Lex Luthor AND Batman I'm confident I can handle that. Plus SB Prime and Sodam Yat...so Im gonna pick one of those talking Gorillas you hate so much and take Gorilla Grodd!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd
Btw we have 24 picks we went over 20 lol
ReplyDeleteHa, we just kept picking and picking... Well, that leaves the simple question, what next? Somehow we have to come up with a way to pit our teams against each other, as well as a fair way to decide winners... THAT is not going to be an easy task!
ReplyDeleteHm...I say we each pick one more pick to even it at 25 each, then we start trades if any trades are made, THEN we pit who we want to face one on one from our teams, then since YOU have the most followers lol, we can have a post where people can vote on who wins the matches, and the team with the most winners is victorious...cool?
ReplyDeleteHmm, I think I like that... The only gripe I have with that format is I think most of my followers lean more towards DC Comics. For the most part, I get more comments on my DC related posts then my Marvel ones. That means we could put like Jimmy Olson against Thor, and I get the feeling Jimmy would get more votes!
ReplyDeleteMaybe it would be better if we chose the matches like you said, then gave our reasons for why our guy would win using examples. For example, say you get the first match and you pit your first round guy(Cap Marvel)against my first round pick(Supes). You say, Cap M would win 'cause he's got magic powers and he almost always defeats Black Adam, who's also super-strong, as your arguement. I'd counter by saying Cap M only gets his powers from magic, so he really wouldn't be attacking Supes WITH magic. Of course written evidence would trump all arguements. Like if I had a comic where Power Girl was able to defeat Black Adam. Since Supes/PG are so similar, and CM/BA are similar, if PG could defeat BA, then it stands to reason that Supes could beat CM. If we were completely dead-locked, and couldn't find any evidence to support our arguement, then I'd be willing to have people vote on things. Have you ever been to Comicvine.com? According to the CB fans who hang out there, Deadpool could defeat Superman... Seeing something like that makes me question the logic of my fellow CB fans!
Lol, Jimmy beating Thor severely upsets me. Your reasoning sounds good, although I think we should ask your followers the Supes/CM thing because I think I recall CM beating up Supes, hell if I recall he did it in Kingdom Come as well.
ReplyDeleteSo one last pick each then trades if necessary?
Jimmy beating Thor makes me want to cry! I'll have to dig out my Kingdom Come mini to see that. It's been a while since I've read that, so I should prob give that a quick once over.
ReplyDeleteOK, for my FINAL pick, I'm going to choose Lady Shiva, probably THE best fighter in all of the DCU. How about that!
X: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd
Hm....well since you're picking Lady Shiva...I gotta pick the guy who knows every fighting style ever AND he's from the 31st century, I pick Karate Kid! Now BRING IT SUCKA!
ReplyDeleteX: Supes, X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Donna Troy, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Oh snap, it's ON now!!! Wow, I can't believe I just said, "Oh snap"... Well, that's it then. Now we get to offer trades and stuff, right? Since I took the first pick, I will graciously grant you the privilege of offering up the first trade. Come on, wow me!
ReplyDeleteLol @ Oh Snap! I feel like a fifth grade girl. Alright, I will offer you the following trades. Trade rules are you can offer up to three trades per post, and the most you can offer per trade is two for two...Alrighty I offer you the following trades:
ReplyDeleteHal Jordan for Wonder Woman
Donna Troy for Zatanna
and Lastly Power Suit for Power Suit
Lex Luthor for Ironman.
Now accept/decline and name your trades *throws down the Gauntlet....but not the Infinity Gauntlet* :P
For the record, I'm still embarassed that I said "Oh snap"!
ReplyDeleteHmm, I'll have to decline Hal for WW, since I've got Kyle on my team. I'd rather keep WW instead of collect GL's.
Donna for Zatanna? Sorry dude, I'm keeping my magic characters!
I'm SO tempted to take that last trade, you KNOW I'm a huge Lex fan, but Lex has such a sucky track record... He just loses too much for my tastes. I have to hesitantly decline that one as well...
OK, here's what I'm looking for:
Mr. Fantastic and Hulk for Prof. X and Daken.
I'll let ya think about that one for now. Depending on what you do, I'll have a few more offers ready to go.
Hm....I need Daken because I know if I throw him at Wolvie that's a definite W in my column. Hm... as for Prof he's my only telepath besides Martian Manhunter and Grodd so I'm gonna have to decline. I WILL offer you
ReplyDeleteWolverine and Donna Troy for Captain America and Power Girl!
Bah, foiled again! Jeez, you really seem like you want to get rid of poor Donna! Eh, I'm not really that interested in picking up Donna to be honest with you. I've already got the superior Amazon(WW), so I really don't need her... Unless you really wow me with a great offer!
ReplyDeleteHow about:
Hulk for Superboy Prime OR
Apocalypse for Doomsday?
Lol Donna's the only person on my team who doesnt seem like someone who can match up to someone with your team unless I paired her with PG or SG.
ReplyDeleteHm....I'd rather keep Prime because he's clearly a powerful villain. And I kinda want Apocalypse so what if I offered you
Superboy Prime and Doomsday for both Apocalypse and Superman.
Ha! Close, but not quite where I want things! What about this:
ReplyDeleteSuperboy Prime and Doomsday for Apocalypse and Hulk?
I just hate to part with my number one pick...
Hm....I don't wanna give up my only Kryptonian.... How about Wolverine for Wonder Woman
ReplyDeleteNah, WW is just too strong + she's one of the top fighters in the DCU... I can't make that trade... You know, I'm slowly starting to get the feeling that we aren't going to wind up making any trades here!
ReplyDeleteLol I think you may be right, wanna just move on to matching up one by one characters?
ReplyDeleteIf you're ready, I'm ready! So, do you want to pick the first match since I got to pick the first character, or would you like me to do the honors?
ReplyDeleteHm... I was offered the first trade so you can go. So what are we gonna do, you pick your person vs. my person or do you name who you wanna use and I name who i want to face them or whats up?
ReplyDeleteHow about I pick one of my people and one of yours, and then tell you why I think my pick would win. From there, you can either try to refute what I'm saying, or just cede me the victory. If you challenge my pick, then we can debate it for a while, use examples from comics/online to prove our points, etc. If it's completely deadlocked, and niether one of us will budge on it, I'll put a poll up on the blog for a few days, and hopefully someone besides you, me and Falisha will vote on it!
ReplyDeleteOK, here we go! I'm going to start by selecting Superman from my side to take on Donna Troy from yours. I have no doubt that Supes would ultimately overcome Donna based on the fact that a robot duplicate of Supes killed Donna during the Graduation Day mini-series a few years back. If Donna couldn't defeat a robot Superman, there ain't NO way she can take the real thing! HA, Refute that!
Victories:
X:
JT:
Remaining Characters:
X: X-Man, Cap, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Sodam Yat, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
You win that, I have no way to POSSIBLY refute that. So that's your point. I'm going to say my Sodam Yat vs. Your Captain America.
ReplyDeleteThe reason why is because Sodam not only had Green Lantern powers but the powers of Superman, I don't think I'd be incorrect in saying Cap can do ALOT of things but beating Superman is not one of them, So I think Sodam would beat Cap. Your rebuttal?
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna,
JT:
Remaining Characters:
X: X-Man, WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Prof. X, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn... I sat in front of my computer for a good 5 minutes wracking my brain trying to find a way for Cap to win that fight, but I just can't... :-( Superman + GL ring = loss for Cap!
ReplyDeleteAlright, it's time for me to get my point back! X-Man vs. Prof. X in an all out, psionic brawl!!! What proof do I have that Nate could defeat the Prof? X-Man #10. That's where Nate whomps on Charlie X on the astral plane. In order to avoid any permanent damage, Prof. X had to fake his death. You can argue Prof. X has the experience edge, but Nate has the edge in raw power, and he's already defeated Prof. X with that power before. What do you have to say to that???
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna,
JT: Cap/Sodam,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Ultron, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Brainiac, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
As someone who doesn't know much about Nate I could try to refute that but I know I won't win. So since you cited Nate beating X I'll give you that point. But now it's my turn again, and I'm gonna say Brainiac vs. Ultron. Why? Because Ultron is a friggin robot, come on now. Brainiac would hack Ultron and end up controlling him and have him working on my team. :P
ReplyDeleteYour rebuttal my friend?
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna,X-Man/Prof X,
JT: Cap/Sodam,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Jean Grey, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Martian Manhunter, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
I love that you won't even TRY to refute my knowledge of Nate! It's like I always say(sometimes...), nobody knows more about obscure, c-list Marvel heroes then me!
ReplyDeleteYou know, I REALLY want to argue that point... I REALLY, REALLY do! BUT, I can remember Dr. Doom pretty much doing the same thing to Ultron, and if Doom can do it, I have to imagine that Brainiac could too... Bah, the point is yours my friend.
In continuing with my plan, I'm going to pit Jean Grey against the Martian Manhunter... Now, this should be interesting. The way I see it, MM is physically stronger then Jean, and they are matched telepathically. BUT, Jean can use pyrokinesis when she's using her Pheonix abilities, and I'd have to think the image of Jean on fire would freak MM out just long enough for Jean to take him out with her telepathy. And if that doesn't work, she could just light his green ass on fire! I bet that would work! :-)
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X,
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl, Lady Shiva.
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Wolverine, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Lol, You know...I honestly didn't see that coming. Once again I won't dispute you because I mean come on, there's not much MM can do outside of trying to turn into someone Jean cares about to confuse her but the second she lights him up she's done. Your point.
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna go ahead and say Wolverine vs. Lady Shiva. Shiva may be a hell of a fighter but Wolverine's no slouch at all. Coupled with his healing factor and all around rage I gotta say Wolverine would be able to beat Shiva. Your rebuttal?
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean,
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Vulcan, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Magneto, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Now this is one that I may try to argue! Awesome choice by the way though, that would be a sweet battle. Shiva has been established as THE number 1 fighter in the DCU, while Wolverine is def among the top in the Marvel U, so they'd probably have a great battle. The only thing is, I think Shiva could prob frustrate Wolvie to the point where he'd go into one of his berserker rages, and if that were to happen, I think Shiva would be able to defeat him. If Wolvie could keep a level head though, things could possibly be different... I'll tell you what, when I have some free time tomorrow, I'm going to dig through my old Wolverine books and see if there's a case where a master martial artist was able to soundly defeat him. If not, then I'll cede you the point.
ReplyDeleteAlright, I'm fine with that. I think Wolvie would be able to take her, In Superman Batman issue 4 or 5 I think, I recall Bruce knocking her out with one punch but yeah..lol. He was pissed about her having beat up Selina that one time so he decked her when they had a fight.
ReplyDeleteMy sister was telling me that the Jinx was able to take her in a recent issue of Red Robin, and if that's the case, there's NO way she could take Wolvie! *sigh* I'll cede this one to you...
ReplyDeleteNow to get my point back, I'm going to pit Vulcan against Magneto. There aint NO way Mags could take the third Summers brother my friend, NO way! Vulcan manipulates and can use or shut down any powers thrown at him. Once he EASILY defeated Cyclops, Marvel Girl and Wolverine in one fell swoop(in the AWESOME Deadly Genesis mini-series). He directed Cyke's optic blast into Wolverine and used Marvel Girl's telepathic and telekinesis powers against her and the rest of the team, PLUS he was able to shut down Cyclops' powers, and keep Marvel Girl's vast powers in check. On top of that, he was able to stand toe to toe with Black Bolt, who is one of the more powerful non-mutants in all of Marvel in the War of Kings mini. If Mags tried to use his magnetic powers on Vulcan directly, Vulcan would simply alter them to benefit himself or simply shut Mags powers off and blow a hole through his chest. Simple as that.
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean,
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Power Girl, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Doomsday, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn....I think you've more than proven your point, plus my extensive lack of Marvel comic knowledge I must give you that point lol. But now to even it up, I'm going to pit Doomsday vs. Power Girl. Say what you want, I know PG is strong but Superman died trying to kill Doomsday, so I highly doubt PG could stop him. Your rebuttal?
ReplyDeleteVictories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Jason Todd, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Yeah, I really don't have a rebuttal for that one... One of the reasons I choose Superman so quickly was because I wanted to avoid him facing off against Doomsday... I prob should have did the same with PG! Oh well, the point is yours. I think I'm going to make my next battle Mr. Fantastic vs. none other then Jason Todd!!! I'll def be interested in hearing what you have to say about this one! My logic here is that #1, Mr. F is THE smartest man in all of the Marvel U, so what ever sneaky plan Jason laid out would be easily dispatched by Mr. F, then you've got the fact that with his rubbery skin, knives and bullets bounce off of Mr. F, which would leave Jason little to do. All Mr. F would need to do is grab a hold of Jason and he'd be wrapped up nice and tight! Have at that!
ReplyDeleteVictories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Hulk, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Superboy Prime, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
My rebuttal would be, working with Bruce Jason doesn't go into a fight without studying his opponents, but considering Mr. Fantastic is super damn smart I won't argue because he's damn sure smarter than Jason. Your point. But what are you gonna do now that I'm matching up Superboy Prime vs. The Hulk. Keep in mind that Superman has defeated the Hulk on at least two occasions and Superboy Prime has been shown to be stronger than Superman. Your reply?
ReplyDeleteVictories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Supergirl,
JT: Cap Marvel, Bats, Deathstroke, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn it, I had a whole long spiel typed out, but my network is acting up tonight(it always messes with me when it's really windy or when it's really snowy...), bottom line is that your totally right about Hulk/Prime, that's the reason I tried to trade Hulk to you in the first place!
ReplyDeleteI'm going to piy Dr. Fate against Capt. Marvel. I figure Fate being a master of magic would be able to turn CM back into a kid and then knock him out with a headbutt. Sorry if I'm rushing, but I've got to get thie done before my network messes me up again!
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Supergirl,
JT: Bats, Deathstroke, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
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ReplyDeleteLol I figured that, which is why I let you keep the big Green Machine. I would argue that Cap has the wisdom of Solomon so whatever Fate has planned I'd think Cap could see it coming but Fate has some otherworldly powers so I'll give you that one.
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna throw the The Dark Knight at Supergirl. Say what ya want but that's a automatic point. If he can beat the Man of Steel he can beat the Girl of Steel.
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime,
Remaining Characters:
X: WW, Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse,
JT: Deathstroke, Hal Jordan, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Mmmm, That's a good one. There's NO way I can argue with that one. Nice move. I was actually about to pit Bats against Wonder Woman with my next battle, since she seems to have the ability to defeat Bats with a simple headlock! So instead of WW vs. Bats, I'm going to go with WW vs. Hal Jordan!!! How's that for a mega battle! My logic here is kind of convuluted, so hopefully you'll understand what I'm talking about. Wonder Woman was able to stand up to Superman when he was being mind-controlled by Maxwell Lord(right before WW snapped his neck). Superboy Prime was able to kill several Green Lanterns during Infinite Crisis. So, if WW can stand up to Supes, and Prime can kill several Green Lanterns, remembering that Prime IS Supes, only younger(and WAY dumber)that would lead me to believe that WW would also be able to kill Green Lanterns if she so chose to. In other words, WW can hang with Supes in a fight, but Green Lanterns can't, so therefore, WW>Green Lanterns!
ReplyDeleteWhew, it took me a while, but I think I made my point! :-)
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman
Remaining Characters:
X: Dr. Doom, Barry Allen, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse,
JT: Deathstroke, Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Okay, Thats a logic I understand. So I'll give you that because it makes perfect sense. I actually wanted to use Bats before you fed him to someone stronger so that works.
ReplyDeleteMy pick is going to be, Deathstroke vs. Barry Allen. Why you ask? Because this is the same Deathstroke that beat up Zatanna, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Hawkman and Wally West by himself. Deathstroke is always ready, always has a plan and if he doesn't want to lose he won't. Hell he's beaten Wally along with for other Leaguer's and shot Impulse in the knee. That's two of the four Speedsters right there. Plus he's evil Batman, and as smart as Batman is you know he'd have a plan for Barry, so thats why I believe Slade would as well. Your retort?
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan,
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman
Remaining Characters:
X: Dr. Doom, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Ravager, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Hmm, I really want to argue this one, but you really made a strong point... Slade HAS defeated Wally and most of the League at the same time, and he was always able to stand up to Wally when he was still Kid Flash, so I can't really argue that one. Sure, with Saint Barry being Geoff Johns' Chosen One, I doubt he'd lose to Slade in any comic, but Slade has shown he CAN defeat speedsters when he has to.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to give myself an easy win and go for Apocalypse vs. Ravager. Do I even have to explain this one?!? What's Ravager going to do, kick a guy who's gone toe to toe with the entire X-Men team, the Hulk, and is actually spoken to by the Watcher? You can't cut him with a sword, you can't shoot him with a gun, and she's nowhere near strong enough to do him any real damage. All I have left to say is, gimme my point!!!
:p
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan,
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke
Remaining Characters:
X: Dr. Doom, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Iron Man, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Lex Luthor, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Lmao take your point. I had no one to match her up against anyway. Lex Luthor vs. Ironman. Lex's power suit is designed to take on SUPERMAN, also it's New God technology, so most likely far too advanced for Tony to hack in the middle of a fight, plus Lex's suit has been shown to vaporize three OMAC's in one blast. Your move sir...Lol
ReplyDeleteVictories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse.
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke
Remaining Characters:
X: Dr. Doom, Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Daken, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Hmmmm...... Now this is one battle I think I may want to sleep on before conceding the point... You know, out of every fight we've put out so far, I think this one is prob the most evenly matched. I think I'm def going to take a few hours to think about this fight. Thanks, now instead of paying attention to my Accounting professor in class tomorrow, I'll be going over Tony Stark vs. Lex Luthor in my head!
ReplyDeleteLol you do that. If we can't come to a conclusion will it go up on the blog? Yours gets more traffic :P
ReplyDeleteYou know, I don't know how well the Lex has battled Supes with his power suit arguement works, since Lex almost always loses to Supes! Jeez, I'm not sure that Lex could defeat Tony... I'm really not. Even if Lex managed to gain the upper hand, I think his ego would prevent him from winning. Plus the fact that Tony's entire body is well protected by his armor, while Lex arrogantly doesn't have his face protected by the same armor that protects his body, also works against Lex in this battle. Hmm, hmm, hmm...... Tony is one of the five smartest men in the Marvel U, while I'd go so far as to say Lex is THE smartest man in the DCU. *sigh*... I think I'm going to GRUDGINGLY give you the point here... I've seen Tony get his armor messed up by the Hulk, Spider-Man and Captain America, so I think it's a definite possibility that Lex could(provided he keeps his ego in check)take Tony... Gah, I REALLY hate to lose on that one...
ReplyDeleteOK, to wash the stink of defeat off of myself, I'm going to pit Dr. Doom against Daken. Doom's armor provides him with its own specialized environment, which would prevent Daken's phermones from affecting Doom, plus Daken's claws are simply bone(except for the two Wolverine killing blades), not indestructable like Wolvies claws are, which means that even if Daken could get close enough, he wouldn't be able to cut through Doom's personal force field or his armor. Daken gets too close, Doom takes to the air and vaoprizes Wolvie's baby boy. 'Nuff said!
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse.
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke, Iron Man/Lex Luthor,
Remaining Characters:
X: Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Sentry, Zatanna, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Wally West, Spider-man, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Lol I knew Lex exposing his head would come up and while I'm happy to get that I hate that you chose Daken because I was SO gonna use him against someone else. But valid points as always so I'll give you that one.
ReplyDeleteWally West vs. Zatanna. Simply put he can beat her before she can even say her spell out loud. Further proof would be when I referenced Deathstroke beating up JLA members, he beat her by punching her in the throat so she couldn't say her spells due to her vomiting a ton. If he can do it I'm damn sure positive a Speedster can. Or Wally could just run around her fast enough to vacuum all the oxygen surrounding her body, thus she can't breathe and passes out.
Your move Gov'ner.
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse, Daken/Doom
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke, Iron Man/Lex Luthor,
Remaining Characters:
X: Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Sentry, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Spider-man, Nightwing, Black Adam, Green Arrow, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Meh, I'll give you that point. I'd have challenged it, but once you mentioned the vacuum thing, there was nothing I could say to counter that. Wow, we're really getting towards the end, aren't we? I'm going to go after your final remaining powerhouse, Black Adam, and pit him against Marvel's Sorcerer Supreme, Dr. Strange. Adam derives his powers from magic, no? Dr. Strange is the MASTER of magic in the Marvel U... I can't imagine Strange wouldn't be able to come up with a spell to either turn Adam back into simple, powerless Teth-Adam, or if that fails, simply banishing him to another dimension, such as the Dark Dimension. If ya ask me, magic is def Adam's achilles heel!
ReplyDeleteWoo boy, I think I've just about got this game all wrapped up my friend! Your next move is going to be huge! Ya play it wrong, and it's ALLLLLL over!!!
>:-)
Victories:
X: Supes/Donna, X-Man/Prof X, MM/Jean, Vulcan/Magneto, Jason Todd/Mr. Fantastic, Cap Marvel/Dr. Fate, WW/Hal Jordan, Ravager/Apocalypse, Daken/Doom
JT: Cap/Sodam, Ultron/Brainiac, Shiva/Wolvie, Power Girl/Doomsday, Hulk/Prime, Supergirl/Batman, Barry Allen/Deathstroke, Iron Man/Lex Luthor, Zatanna/Wally West,
Remaining Characters:
X: Kyle Rayner, Mon-El, Sentry, Hawkeye, Invisible Woman,
JT: Spider-man, Nightwing, Green Arrow, Gorilla Grodd, Karate Kid
Damn it..I was gonna use Black Adam to Stalemate your Sentry, well I guess I'll just have to MIND CONTROL HIM with Gorilla Grodd. I'm gonna say, Gorilla Grodd who's psionic abilities would allow him to mind control Sentry into blasting and subduing himself with his own cosmic beam. Yeah Im grasping at straws screw it. Lol I declare you the winner of this battle. Name your prize good sir. I concede to the wisdom of The X-Man!
ReplyDeleteHA!!! All bow before the infinite wisdom of X-Man75, the man, the myth, the LEGEND!!! How's that for being a gracious winner?
ReplyDelete:-)
Yeah, your only real choice was to use Grodd to take on Sentry or Mon-El, but then which ever one was left(Mon-El in this case)would just walk over one of your guys. GA and Hawkeye would cancel each other out, and Kyle and IW would prob win their battles as well. Hey, I'll say this much, until the very end, it was DAMN close. I wonder if things would have turned out differently if we were only using DC characters, since I have a really unfair advantage when it came to the Marvel Universe over you.
Wow, we were working at this tournament for 117 comments! I'm almost sorry to see it end, although I'd have felt worse if I had lost!
:p
Lol I see all that Grave and Humility you're showing there :P
ReplyDeleteYeah I knew it was over, I'd love to have another battle with just DC characters if you feel like going again. It was pretty fun.
Lol I have a feeling you're holding this over my head for a while :P
"Lol I have a feeling you're holding this over my head for a while :P" To the victor go the spoils mi amigo!
ReplyDeleteYeah, maybe in a few weeks(Spring Break perhaps?)we can give it another go. A second tournament should be interesting, because next time we'll be a little bit more aware of what strategies each one of us will be going with.
Lol yeah I'd do the same thing, so I don't blame you, except I'd post it on my blog too. Lol
ReplyDeleteSounds good to me mon frere, gives me time to do more research. :P