I could probably go on for hours stating the things I liked/loved about ASB&R! I usually have at least one laugh out loud moment every issue of that series. The yellow room scene was completely awesome(although I know some GL fans who would disagree)and of course there was the way Bats(and everybody else)refered to him as the Goddamn Batman. If it was up to me I'd change the title to "The Goddamn Batman and Robin"!
I'm sure I'd like it more just because I'd get to say The Goddamn Batman on a regular basis. I hated the stupidity of him eating rats, having sex on a pier in his costume and banging Selina Kyle in a Sewer apparently.
Yeah, whenever I see the words, "Goddamn Batman" somewhere I can't help but smile.
I think it was that stupidity that really sold me on the series! There's no way around it, the Goddamn Batman is completely insane in that series. I mean TOTALLY nuts! I kind of like that twist to his character though. Anybody who runs around a city like Gotham, with no powers and dressed like a giant bat has to be a little loco! I just take Allstar Bats for what it is, an alternate reality telling of Batman if he were out of his mind.
Yeah, It kinda makes sense that the guys crazy as hell, why Alfred stayed I'll never know but for what it is it's pretty good. I think i was just biased to Bats being regular old Batman I'm used to, All-Star Bats is crazier than Cletus Kassidy.
Most people who have read a lot of Batman comics before reading the Goddamn Batman feel the same way as you do Jason. They don't like it 'cause Bats acts so much differently then we expect him to. Me, I started reading both Goddamn Batman and regular Batman at around the same time, so it's easier for me to seperate the two characters and enjoy them both in their own ways.
I always figured Alfred stuck around either out of duty to Bruce's parents(he was practically responsible for raising Bruce)or because he's afraid of how crazy Bats would get if he was all alone in that big old manor.
That's exactly how it was, I was so used to Batman being a genius and heroic and he was more crazy and brash in All-Star Bats, but i can see why some people do like it.
I could see Alfred just sticking around mainly to make sure Bruce doesn't go even more insane. I'm sure he'd feel like he let the Wayne's down if he didn't watch over Bruce.
Exactly, since I wasn't really that knowledgable about Batman when I first read Allstar Bats, it was easy for me to overlook some of his crazier/unBatmanlike behavior.
"I'm sure he'd feel like he let the Wayne's down if he didn't watch over Bruce." My thoughts exactly.
Some of the things Bruce was doing just had me disgusted in his behavior, like telling Dick to eat rats and getting upset at Alfred for feeding him. You live in a MANSION, why is Dick sleeping in a cave? But I guess we can chalk that up to him being crazy.
Yeah, when he smacked Dick in the batmobile, I was shocked/disgusted. I mean, the poor kid just saw his parents die in front of him and Bruce is wailing on him?!? But then as I continued reading, I couldn't help but laugh, because Bats was just SO over the top crazy! I mean, some of the stuff was just SO outrageous, it was hard NOT to laugh at it! I don't know if Frank Miller intended on writing this series as a comedy, but that's def what I look at All-Star Bats as, a comedy.
Lol, I'd hate for it to have some deep meaning and I'm just laughing. I think Batman knew he went too far when Dick almost killed GL. If there is ever a continuation I'd be very interested to see what happens as time goes on.
Personally, I think Frank Miller started the series off with the intention of it being serious, but after a while he just decided to make it as over the top as possible. I think there'll be more issues of this series, it's just a matter of Frank and Jim Lee having enough time to colaborate on the next few issues. Those are two VERY busy dudes!
Jim Lee is probably my favorite comic artist, that dude is mad busy, he's probably the Geoff Johns of art.
I think you may be right about Frank, and he saw it was insane so he just went for broke. I loved Wonder Woman calling that dude "sperm bank", that was hilarious and so fit her character.
Yeah man, that's exactly what I mean. Like the first three issues were more serious, then Frank was like, "What the hell!" and just started to throw everything he could think of out there. Sometimes I think he did it specifically to piss off the old school Batman fans who were so vocally pissed about that series.
I didn't care for TDKReturns as I've said before but compared to that in my book All-Star was way better. I may have to re-read it now that I can differentiate between that Batman and our Modern Day Batman.
Plus seeing Dick almost kill Hal may make me crack a smile.
Yeah, the way I look at All Star Bats is that he isn't our Batman, he's some kind of crazy alternate version.
Ooo, I know a lot of Hal fans who were furious that a 12 year old nearly killed Hal in a fight! I think Batman slapping Dick and Dick almost killing Hal were probably the most controversial things about All Star Bats.
I'd love to see a multiverse run in with our Bats and that Batman, or like That Bats eventually becomes Owlman somehow. That'd be pretty cool.
I know I'd be pissed if a twelve year old kid beat up my favorite hero. I found it weird that Superman didn't just take Dick, I mean Bruce couldn't really stop him, but eh, what can ya do? I hated that version of Black Canary though and her having an accent.
Bats vs The Goddamn Batman would be all kinds of awesome!
Yeah, there were a lot of things about All Star Batman that didn't make a load of sense, but after I read the first few issues, I put my mind on auto-pilot for the rest of the series. It's better not to think too deeply about the stuff that happens in All Star Bats!
Dude, the fact that BC had an accent bugged me too! That's one of those little things that tend to drive me crazy!
I'd very much like to see that, Imagine our Bats vs. The Goddamn Batman, and Damian getting owned by 12 year old Dick Grayson. I'd pay just to see that.
The accent annoyed me SO much, made me dislike her character, I hate when I dislike characters for something so petty but I couldn't resist that.
Dick beating up Damian would make my day! Of course if Grant Morrison was writing it, Damian would beat up Dick, The Goddamn Batman, Batman, Commish Gordon, Joker, Superman, Ultimate Spider-Man, Mickey Mouse and Doink the Clown!!!
Lol, Superman, Ultimate Spider-Man and Doink The Clown is the most random yet awesome team ever assembled. I think the idea of a kid being a killing machine is what helps Grant sleep at night in his enormous house.
Ultimate Super Clown FTW! Facing off against Darkseid, Venom and um...Jerry The King Lawler I'd assume.
On the short list of time's I've ever liked Damian was the time Bruce just yelled at him, but not as a father, as a sensei which was genius because that's moreso what someone who was brought up like Damian would understand.
The only time Damian seemed like more then a one-dimensional character to me was during the Battle for the Cowl mini-series. He actually seemed like a real kid, not a crazed killing machine. It's interesting that the only time I enjoyed Damian was when Grant Morrison(his creator)wasn't writing him!
Thats weird, maybe we should get Geoff or Meltzer to do something with Damian and we might like him. If he gave Damian a defining Geo-Force moment then he wouldn't just seem like a murderous Rey Mysterio sized kid.
Yeah, but even the great Geoff Johns is only Human. Matter of fact he gets the bendis treatment from me. GEOFF JOHNS...nah, he's too humble for that. Lol, but part of me still feels like Damian is Jason's son.
Well of course, I think Bruce knows Damian isn't his, I mean that dude is FAR too prepared to not have a blood test done. But giving his penchant for trying to help people and keep them from turning evil (e.g. Jason Todd) I could see him continuing to let Damian think Bruce is his father to follow in his foot steps. Then eventually he finds out Jason is his dad and has to make a big decision between Jason and the returned Bruce Wayne. Atleast thats how I'd write it anyway.
Nah, I think if Damian was revealed to be Jason's(or anybody but Bruce's)that would really hurt Damian's character. He NEEDS to be Bruce's son, or else I could easily see him fading away to obscurity(which I wouldn't mind!).
Lol well in that case lets say he's my son and get him the hell outta there. I know what you mean though, the fact that he's Damian Wayne is pretty much his only selling point.
Lol really, that kid is annoying. I read the DC Halloween special this year, he has a quick story, and I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually liked it.
Oh yeah? I was going to buy the Halloween special, but I think I passed on it... I think I did anyway, I order so many books, sometimes it's hard to remember what I did and didn't buy. The price for that comic was pretty steep though, right?
Yeah, I believe it was. My girlfriend picked it up so I just read it when I was over her house. It was alright, some people's stories (Ravager, Creeper) were literally one page long. But for what it was I guess it was pretty cool.
I think in the end that's what Miller was going for. I think the "Goddamn Batman" line took on such a life of it's own he went and made this series as absurb as he could, and it REALLY worked... So long as you didn't take any of it seriously. Plus it featured a 12 year old kid kicking Hal Jordan's ass, so that right there makes it a winner in my eyes!
Yes, I know I'm in the minority, but I LOVE All Star Batman and Robin.
I didn't care for it but I did love him calling Themyscira Lesbo's Island, and the yellow room with GL was awesome.
ReplyDeleteI could probably go on for hours stating the things I liked/loved about ASB&R! I usually have at least one laugh out loud moment every issue of that series. The yellow room scene was completely awesome(although I know some GL fans who would disagree)and of course there was the way Bats(and everybody else)refered to him as the Goddamn Batman. If it was up to me I'd change the title to "The Goddamn Batman and Robin"!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure I'd like it more just because I'd get to say The Goddamn Batman on a regular basis. I hated the stupidity of him eating rats, having sex on a pier in his costume and banging Selina Kyle in a Sewer apparently.
ReplyDeleteYeah, whenever I see the words, "Goddamn Batman" somewhere I can't help but smile.
ReplyDeleteI think it was that stupidity that really sold me on the series! There's no way around it, the Goddamn Batman is completely insane in that series. I mean TOTALLY nuts! I kind of like that twist to his character though. Anybody who runs around a city like Gotham, with no powers and dressed like a giant bat has to be a little loco! I just take Allstar Bats for what it is, an alternate reality telling of Batman if he were out of his mind.
Yeah, It kinda makes sense that the guys crazy as hell, why Alfred stayed I'll never know but for what it is it's pretty good. I think i was just biased to Bats being regular old Batman I'm used to, All-Star Bats is crazier than Cletus Kassidy.
ReplyDeleteMost people who have read a lot of Batman comics before reading the Goddamn Batman feel the same way as you do Jason. They don't like it 'cause Bats acts so much differently then we expect him to. Me, I started reading both Goddamn Batman and regular Batman at around the same time, so it's easier for me to seperate the two characters and enjoy them both in their own ways.
ReplyDeleteI always figured Alfred stuck around either out of duty to Bruce's parents(he was practically responsible for raising Bruce)or because he's afraid of how crazy Bats would get if he was all alone in that big old manor.
That's exactly how it was, I was so used to Batman being a genius and heroic and he was more crazy and brash in All-Star Bats, but i can see why some people do like it.
ReplyDeleteI could see Alfred just sticking around mainly to make sure Bruce doesn't go even more insane. I'm sure he'd feel like he let the Wayne's down if he didn't watch over Bruce.
Exactly, since I wasn't really that knowledgable about Batman when I first read Allstar Bats, it was easy for me to overlook some of his crazier/unBatmanlike behavior.
ReplyDelete"I'm sure he'd feel like he let the Wayne's down if he didn't watch over Bruce." My thoughts exactly.
Some of the things Bruce was doing just had me disgusted in his behavior, like telling Dick to eat rats and getting upset at Alfred for feeding him. You live in a MANSION, why is Dick sleeping in a cave? But I guess we can chalk that up to him being crazy.
ReplyDeleteYeah, when he smacked Dick in the batmobile, I was shocked/disgusted. I mean, the poor kid just saw his parents die in front of him and Bruce is wailing on him?!? But then as I continued reading, I couldn't help but laugh, because Bats was just SO over the top crazy! I mean, some of the stuff was just SO outrageous, it was hard NOT to laugh at it! I don't know if Frank Miller intended on writing this series as a comedy, but that's def what I look at All-Star Bats as, a comedy.
ReplyDeleteLol, I'd hate for it to have some deep meaning and I'm just laughing. I think Batman knew he went too far when Dick almost killed GL. If there is ever a continuation I'd be very interested to see what happens as time goes on.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I think Frank Miller started the series off with the intention of it being serious, but after a while he just decided to make it as over the top as possible. I think there'll be more issues of this series, it's just a matter of Frank and Jim Lee having enough time to colaborate on the next few issues. Those are two VERY busy dudes!
ReplyDeleteJim Lee is probably my favorite comic artist, that dude is mad busy, he's probably the Geoff Johns of art.
ReplyDeleteI think you may be right about Frank, and he saw it was insane so he just went for broke. I loved Wonder Woman calling that dude "sperm bank", that was hilarious and so fit her character.
Yeah man, that's exactly what I mean. Like the first three issues were more serious, then Frank was like, "What the hell!" and just started to throw everything he could think of out there. Sometimes I think he did it specifically to piss off the old school Batman fans who were so vocally pissed about that series.
ReplyDeleteI didn't care for TDKReturns as I've said before but compared to that in my book All-Star was way better. I may have to re-read it now that I can differentiate between that Batman and our Modern Day Batman.
ReplyDeletePlus seeing Dick almost kill Hal may make me crack a smile.
Yeah, the way I look at All Star Bats is that he isn't our Batman, he's some kind of crazy alternate version.
ReplyDeleteOoo, I know a lot of Hal fans who were furious that a 12 year old nearly killed Hal in a fight! I think Batman slapping Dick and Dick almost killing Hal were probably the most controversial things about All Star Bats.
I'd love to see a multiverse run in with our Bats and that Batman, or like That Bats eventually becomes Owlman somehow. That'd be pretty cool.
ReplyDeleteI know I'd be pissed if a twelve year old kid beat up my favorite hero. I found it weird that Superman didn't just take Dick, I mean Bruce couldn't really stop him, but eh, what can ya do? I hated that version of Black Canary though and her having an accent.
Bats vs The Goddamn Batman would be all kinds of awesome!
ReplyDeleteYeah, there were a lot of things about All Star Batman that didn't make a load of sense, but after I read the first few issues, I put my mind on auto-pilot for the rest of the series. It's better not to think too deeply about the stuff that happens in All Star Bats!
Dude, the fact that BC had an accent bugged me too! That's one of those little things that tend to drive me crazy!
I'd very much like to see that, Imagine our Bats vs. The Goddamn Batman, and Damian getting owned by 12 year old Dick Grayson. I'd pay just to see that.
ReplyDeleteThe accent annoyed me SO much, made me dislike her character, I hate when I dislike characters for something so petty but I couldn't resist that.
Dick beating up Damian would make my day! Of course if Grant Morrison was writing it, Damian would beat up Dick, The Goddamn Batman, Batman, Commish Gordon, Joker, Superman, Ultimate Spider-Man, Mickey Mouse and Doink the Clown!!!
ReplyDeleteLol, Superman, Ultimate Spider-Man and Doink The Clown is the most random yet awesome team ever assembled. I think the idea of a kid being a killing machine is what helps Grant sleep at night in his enormous house.
ReplyDeleteI'd def buy a comic with that team in it!
ReplyDeleteYeah, Grant may like it, but it drives me nuts that this little kid can pretty much own everybody!
Ultimate Super Clown FTW! Facing off against Darkseid, Venom and um...Jerry The King Lawler I'd assume.
ReplyDeleteOn the short list of time's I've ever liked Damian was the time Bruce just yelled at him, but not as a father, as a sensei which was genius because that's moreso what someone who was brought up like Damian would understand.
The only time Damian seemed like more then a one-dimensional character to me was during the Battle for the Cowl mini-series. He actually seemed like a real kid, not a crazed killing machine. It's interesting that the only time I enjoyed Damian was when Grant Morrison(his creator)wasn't writing him!
ReplyDeleteThats weird, maybe we should get Geoff or Meltzer to do something with Damian and we might like him. If he gave Damian a defining Geo-Force moment then he wouldn't just seem like a murderous Rey Mysterio sized kid.
ReplyDeleteI actually like the idea of Geoff getting a shot with Damian. If he can't make Damian likable, no one can!
ReplyDeleteYeah, but even the great Geoff Johns is only Human. Matter of fact he gets the bendis treatment from me. GEOFF JOHNS...nah, he's too humble for that. Lol, but part of me still feels like Damian is Jason's son.
ReplyDeleteCould be but I'm not sure. Damian Wayne is a bigger character because of that last name. Damian Todd just doesn't have the same impact.
ReplyDeleteWell of course, I think Bruce knows Damian isn't his, I mean that dude is FAR too prepared to not have a blood test done. But giving his penchant for trying to help people and keep them from turning evil (e.g. Jason Todd) I could see him continuing to let Damian think Bruce is his father to follow in his foot steps. Then eventually he finds out Jason is his dad and has to make a big decision between Jason and the returned Bruce Wayne. Atleast thats how I'd write it anyway.
ReplyDeleteNah, I think if Damian was revealed to be Jason's(or anybody but Bruce's)that would really hurt Damian's character. He NEEDS to be Bruce's son, or else I could easily see him fading away to obscurity(which I wouldn't mind!).
ReplyDeleteLol well in that case lets say he's my son and get him the hell outta there. I know what you mean though, the fact that he's Damian Wayne is pretty much his only selling point.
ReplyDelete"well in that case lets say he's my son and get him the hell outta there." HA!!! Sounds good to me!!!
ReplyDeleteLol really, that kid is annoying. I read the DC Halloween special this year, he has a quick story, and I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually liked it.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah? I was going to buy the Halloween special, but I think I passed on it... I think I did anyway, I order so many books, sometimes it's hard to remember what I did and didn't buy. The price for that comic was pretty steep though, right?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I believe it was. My girlfriend picked it up so I just read it when I was over her house. It was alright, some people's stories (Ravager, Creeper) were literally one page long. But for what it was I guess it was pretty cool.
ReplyDeleteEh, maybe I'll snag it one day when the price falls to a more reasonable range(like for next Halloween!).
ReplyDeleteLol, yeah, it was cool but nothing worth going outta your way to get though
ReplyDeleteI think in the end that's what Miller was going for. I think the "Goddamn Batman" line took on such a life of it's own he went and made this series as absurb as he could, and it REALLY worked... So long as you didn't take any of it seriously. Plus it featured a 12 year old kid kicking Hal Jordan's ass, so that right there makes it a winner in my eyes!
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